. if we want to continue to innovate we have to keep some production here. two, as president clinton said, it's basic arithmetic. we can continue to sell movies to the rest of the world instruments, but that's not enough. we have to make stuff. three, the middle class. there are 11 million-12 million good paying jobs. and we want to keep as many of them as we can in the united states. there are options for still having a middle class life in this country. >> gavin: robert reich said we're not able to compete with cheap laborer, free land and all these other incentives. we should focus on retooling our economy and refocus on knowledge of cities. you take him on, it's not personal but you take on that point of view personally. >> you don't under this knowledge of. i think it reflects someone who has not been on the modern factory floor. manufacturing jobs are knowledge jobs. i talk about vita mix where they make all the blenders that produce frap frapachinos. these are jobs that require thinking and skill and it's false to make this distinction that some are knowledge jobs and some aren't.